Discussion:
[Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil
Kirill Lokshin
2018-04-08 18:19:55 UTC
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Hello everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.

As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.

Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.

The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.

Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
Vi to
2018-04-08 19:32:12 UTC
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Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.

Vito
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Lucas Teles
2018-04-08 20:52:09 UTC
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That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
email from you guys about this in my inbox

I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
to act in many situations. But that never came.

This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
general action and not addressing any issue specifically.

I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.

Have a good day.

Teles
Post by Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
Vito
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
which
Post by Kirill Lokshin
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil
—
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
and
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
year.
Post by Kirill Lokshin
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Mardetanha
2018-04-08 21:33:47 UTC
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I wonder if we could turn this to one learning pattern, from what went
wrong at first place and what solution you propose to solve it. I think it
would help a lot of projects if we could learn from each other's mistake.

Mardetanha
Post by Lucas Teles
That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
email from you guys about this in my inbox
I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
to act in many situations. But that never came.
This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
general action and not addressing any issue specifically.
I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.
Have a good day.
Teles
Post by Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
Vito
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
which
Post by Kirill Lokshin
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
organization,
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
User
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
in
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
or
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
Brazil
Post by Vi to
—
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
resulted
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
conflict
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
and
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
the
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
practicable.
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
for
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
for
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
year.
Post by Kirill Lokshin
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Isaac Olatunde
2018-04-08 21:27:50 UTC
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Extremely sad news. I can't comment on the fairness but it does seem like
the best decision has been taken.


Regards,

Isaac
Post by Lucas Teles
That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
email from you guys about this in my inbox
I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
to act in many situations. But that never came.
This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
general action and not addressing any issue specifically.
I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.
Have a good day.
Teles
Post by Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
Vito
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
which
Post by Kirill Lokshin
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
organization,
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
User
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
in
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
or
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
Brazil
Post by Vi to
—
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
resulted
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
conflict
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
and
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
the
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
practicable.
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
for
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
for
Post by Vi to
Post by Kirill Lokshin
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
year.
Post by Kirill Lokshin
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Vi to
2018-04-08 22:19:28 UTC
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Given Teles' insight I must admit *I was wrong* in using the adjective
"fair", not so much right with "reasonable", while I expected something
like this. My apologies.

I may have an incomplete view of the situation but parties didn't deserve
the same treatment.

Vito
Post by Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
Vito
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Lodewijk
2018-04-09 06:23:39 UTC
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Hi Kirill,

Could you clarify what would be a path forward from this situation? For
example, would you encourage someone to set up a new application for a user
group in Brazil, if they have a good proposal (and/or proven commitment)
for how to manage the collaboration with the whole Brazilian community?

I doubt the intention of AffCom is to leave the situation in Brazil to
remain broken indefinitely.

Best,
Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Kirill Lokshin
2018-04-09 17:16:04 UTC
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Hi Lodewijk,

You're entirely correct in that we don't want to see the situation in
Brazil remain as it is, and I think there are many potential ways forward
here. Certainly, creating a new user group could be one of them; so could
a collaborative network of smaller, more localized groups, or perhaps an
entirely different structure that doesn't fit exactly into the current
affiliate model.

Having said that, I don't believe it's really our place, as a committee, to
tell the Brazilian community how to proceed; that decision is one that the
community will need to make after considering the specific needs that this
affiliate structure must serve and the degree to which different
stakeholders are willing (or not) to set aside their differences in order
to build it. The Affiliations Committee can advise the community on how to
apply the existing affiliate model -- or even on how to transform it into
something new -- but it's ultimately the local community that will need to
decide what they can live with.

Regards,
Kirill
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Kirill,
Could you clarify what would be a path forward from this situation? For
example, would you encourage someone to set up a new application for a user
group in Brazil, if they have a good proposal (and/or proven commitment)
for how to manage the collaboration with the whole Brazilian community?
I doubt the intention of AffCom is to leave the situation in Brazil to
remain broken indefinitely.
Best,
Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Ilario Valdelli
2018-04-09 06:54:15 UTC
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Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.

At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local
Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.

Kind regards
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Isaac Olatunde
2018-04-09 07:46:21 UTC
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Hi Kiril,

You wrote above "all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict have
failed". It would be interesting to let us have the idea of these
reasonable attempts. Why did you think de-recognizing these groups is the
best decision? What I understood from Tele's comment is that you did
nothing to resolve the issues and you just watched the conflicts escalated.
This is probably not a good thing to hear about the affiliation committee.

Regards,

Isaac
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.
At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
local Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.
Kind regards
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
2018-04-09 12:07:14 UTC
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"Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year."

And grant requests? I am not privy to the conflict details, but it seems to
be generated by the claim of lack of legitimacy and misuse of money, is
that correct? So should not also individual grant requests for this primary
contacts be blocked?

Agreeing with Ilario, but would be nice to see the "whys" they came to
this. Without this deep look, the "Brazil, restart again" will act over and
over again - this is not the first time, and will not be the last, until
some stakeholders stop relieving themselves of responsibility, admit the
mistakes and take a stand to fix the problem, some of it, could be created
not by locals... Finished this analyses and actions made Mardetanha
proposal will be a consequence, writing now as it is now, I do not see how
could be beneficial.


x0x0
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.
At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local
Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.
Kind regards
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
which
Post by Kirill Lokshin
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil
—
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
and
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
year.
Post by Kirill Lokshin
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Kirill Lokshin
2018-04-09 17:20:06 UTC
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Hi Rodrigo,

Eligibility for grants is determined by the Wikimedia Foundation's
community resources department, rather than by the Affiliations Committee.
I imagine that the Wikimedia Foundation may choose to take our decision
into account when evaluating future grant proposals, but it's not something
that we have any authority to impose.

Regards,
Kirill

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
Post by Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
"Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year."
And grant requests? I am not privy to the conflict details, but it seems to
be generated by the claim of lack of legitimacy and misuse of money, is
that correct? So should not also individual grant requests for this primary
contacts be blocked?
Agreeing with Ilario, but would be nice to see the "whys" they came to
this. Without this deep look, the "Brazil, restart again" will act over and
over again - this is not the first time, and will not be the last, until
some stakeholders stop relieving themselves of responsibility, admit the
mistakes and take a stand to fix the problem, some of it, could be created
not by locals... Finished this analyses and actions made Mardetanha
proposal will be a consequence, writing now as it is now, I do not see how
could be beneficial.
x0x0
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.
At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
local
Post by Lodewijk
Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute
it
Post by Lodewijk
to reach the primary and original goal.
Kind regards
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
which
Post by Kirill Lokshin
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
organization,
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
User
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
in
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
or
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
Brazil
Post by Lodewijk
—
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
resulted
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
conflict
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
and
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
the
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
practicable.
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
for
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
for
Post by Lodewijk
Post by Kirill Lokshin
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
year.
Post by Kirill Lokshin
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Kirill Lokshin
2018-04-09 17:06:06 UTC
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Hi Ilario,

We're certainly very aware of the broader context of conflict between
overlapping local groups, and the potential for individuals to misuse the
user group model as a vehicle for attacking existing affiliates or
furthering personal disputes among affiliate leaders or members; there have
been several similar incidents in the past -- if, perhaps, none as severe
as what we saw in this case -- and it's something we've taken into account
when reviewing user group applications in recent months.

One of the main items on the agenda for our annual meeting in Berlin is a
discussion about overlapping affiliates -- both in the obvious geographic
sense, and in the broader sense of programmatic overlap between traditional
geographically-oriented groups and groups that focus on particular topics,
themes, or types of partners. Our eventual goal, within the context of the
movement strategy discussions, is to evolve our current affiliate model to
better serve the needs of the (often overlapping) communities that form the
basis of movement affiliates, while preventing the sorts of inter-affiliate
conflicts that we've seen develop over the past few years. I don't know,
at this point, what this evolved model might look like, but we anticipate
involving the community more closely in our discussions as the process
moves forward.

Regards,
Kirill
Post by Lodewijk
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.
At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
local Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.
Kind regards
Post by Kirill Lokshin
Hello everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.
As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.
Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.
Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Rodrigo Padula
2018-04-09 15:46:09 UTC
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I am very disappointed with this decision and announcement.

Surely anyone who has read this notice must be thinking that Brazil is at war, in wreckage. But that is not true.

Brazil has never produced so much positive impact in our movement as it has now. Both groups have extensively created many very innovative initiatives, making Brazil one of the leading countries among Wikimedia movement:

GLAM reports
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:This_Month_in_GLAM_Brazil_reports

Innovative GLAM partnerships and projects
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/April_2017/Contents/Brazil_report
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/November_2017/Contents/Brazil_report
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2018/Contents/Brazil_report

We spread the wikimedia movement in Brazil through many television participations
(spreading the Wikipedia and fundraising campaigns), Radio interviews and many publications in Brazilian newspapers, portals and blogs. We organized the Brazilian and International Wikipedia Scientific Conferences, generating lot of new academic papers regarding the wikimedia movement and improving our relation with the academic community.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Congresso_Cient%C3%ADfico_Brasileiro_da_Wikip%C3%A9dia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:IWSC

Such misleading narrative about a “war” has been exaggerated in order to prove to WMF it was a bad call to allow more than one user group in the same region. But it isn’t. Many countries have more than one group. In fact, a fairly amount of healthy competition may lead to more initiatives. Such artificial narrative ended up hurting both sides.

This, of course, doesn’t mean there hasn’t been mistakes and conflicts among specific members. For sure some conflicts were very unproductive and made us spend energy in unfruitful discussions. But most members from both groups were genuinely interested in a peaceful and constructive relationship, being critical of other members’ refusal to mediation, dialogue and insistence on extended personal conflicts.

I have tried informal mediation and requested WMF formal mediation several times. But no formal support was given, just disciplinary measures. This may be something to learn for the future.

We are moving forward with the professionalization and incorporation of our user group since 2016, in a very slow process, with very few answers received from AffCom during this process.

Recent timeline of interactions with AffCom:
19/12/2016 We sent a message to AffCom, regarding our affiliation status update, because we were working to incorporate our user group as requested by the Grants team.

07/01/2017 We received an answer from Carlos Colina requesting more information and our bylaws (originally in portuguese since he speaks portuguese for a first evaluation)

02/04/2017 We requested a conversation with members of the User Group Wikimedia Brazil durgin WMCON (they refused to talk), so during Wikimedia Conference I had a quick conversation with Kirill, about the bylaws sent to Carlos Colina and the general situation in Brazil.

03/05/2017 We received a new message from Aff requesting the translated by laws

06/2017 I requested mediation from AffCom/Iberocoop to have a conversation between both groups during Iberoconf in Argentina as informed in our comments (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iberocoop:Iberoconf_2017/Preguntas_y_necesidades), User Group Wikimedia Brasil refused to talk, so we had a conversation only with Galileo and Carlos Colina from AffCom and we never received any feedback from this conversation.

26/10/2017 We received a message informing that they received the translated bylaws for evaluation, no comments about conflicts or problem between the user groups were cited.

08/04/2018 We received the revocation notice of our affiliation status


I deeply believe in the Wikimedia movement. We have started and signed several partnerships and projects which be developed during the following years. So, with or without recognition, support or grants from the Foundation, we will continue to work, to advocate for open knowledge and to fix the current situation in Brazil.

We will move on. It will be more difficult and slow, but we will always move forward.

Rodrigo Padula
Coordenador de Projetos
Wiki Educação Brasil
http://www.wikibrasil.org
21 99326-0558




---- On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:19:55 -0300 Kirill Lokshin &lt;***@gmail.com&gt; wrote ----

Hello everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
or user group agreement. In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
Wikimedia projects.

As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
activities in Brazil. As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.

Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.

The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
participants and stakeholders in the country.

Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
Affiliations Committee.

Regards,
Kirill Lokshin
Chair, Affiliations Committee
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